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Some of you guys already know that I think that we are very near the end times and that, although I believe that God will spare us from the Wrath/Tribulation, I believe that life will be tough before that. As a result, my family and I started living more of a survivalist, "prepper" lifestyle. We started a few years ago with a 72 hour emergency kit, then increased to a few weeks. But in the last year, we have stepped it up considerably.
Of course we've had to do this a little at a time, week by week, item by item. We've learned a lot through trial and error and what we've learned may be helpful to some of you, so I wanted to start this thread to discuss these things.
The reason why I'm doing this is because I believe that we have to be able to remain independent of our government, as independent as possible during hard times.
Anyway, we can all share our ideas about supplies, tools, strategies or ask questions of each other about these practical and non-spiritual aspects of the End Times.
Shelley Hobbs
Posted at 3:50 PM on October 7, 2009
Chad ,
Thank you so much for starting this thread ! wow , this is my "calling" in these times . Food , survival , and most importantly a game plan .
Some of us do have a plan in place , I'm fearful that some of us don't . I'm concerned already about how we will all stay in communication if our utilities get cut off .
Thank you and I'm so glad we can discuss this too . It is important as I know God does not want us to suffer needlessly .
Bret Major
Posted at 3:51 PM on October 7, 2009
That would be great Chad. I've put together some of that but not to your extent. I could use a little push.
A.J. Of Hashem Teaching Redemption To Heaven
Posted at 4:28 PM on October 7, 2009
O.K. We need to get amature radio licences and equipment, it is the only communication that will be able to survive a total meltdown of the inferstructor. If you can't get that get ahold of 40 channel C.B. radios they wont keep you in touch accross America, but are the next best things.Food sources are very important as is a water supply. Any kind of solar electricity would be a real pluss. opps…. there goes the blabbermouth again, can't help myself.
Cindy Gialluca
Posted at 4:31 PM on October 7, 2009
Funny you should say that Shelly….. I thought about this about a month ago, basically when our Internet and cybersecurity Czar came on the scene. Here is what I came up with…
Our first lines of communication would be HAM and CB radio communication. HAM goes out much farther, but it requires FCC licensing which could be a problem. CB is much shorter range but the FCC pretty much dropped its regulation back in the 70's when CB's became so popular. Youd have to have relays within range to pass information and doing that nation wide will be difficult at best.
My second solution was kind of a cross between the pony express and the underground railroad. Messages and information could be brought to secret hubs, whose locations changed regularly, by citizen messengers. Say Bret has a vegie garden, and say Lesli carries the message to Bret while bartering for tomatoes. Then Bret goes to Chad for venison and passed the message on. Chad to Luke for ummm lets say potatoes. Luke hands the message to Kate who then types it into her computer and destroys the message. Then lets say once every 2 weeks, Kate produces a newsletter. Jeff comes to Luke for greens, and gets the newsletter at the same time, he then distributes it around to others while going around for necessities. Those watching would see it as people getting necessities, but it is also a way to pass information. It would be hard to set up, and very time consuming but communication is key.
Any other ideas?
Shelley Hobbs
Posted at 4:58 PM on October 7, 2009
I did think of the ham radio . So , I went online to price check . It seems that everyone was already buying them , as most places I looked were either out of stock or had only 2 or 3 left .Wouldn't the FCC totally loose control if we got to that point ?
I also made a quickie map to see how far apart we all were . Wow , California to Texas to Florida and up here in Vermont . Each extreme end of the country is represented That will make it more difficult .
Remember Convoy ? The movie . That message got clear across the country on CB's . It could be done with "friends" along the way . Although trust is a huge issue for us now , and will be bigger later .
I vote Ham..if we can find them .
Shelley Hobbs
Posted at 4:59 PM on October 7, 2009
A.J. is it expensive or difficult to get a license ?
C. Tipps
Posted at 5:42 PM on October 7, 2009
We discussed communication as a part of our broader plan, but when/if there is a collapse or government becomes too tyrannical for our tastes, my family will be heading to our predetermined location outside of the city with my in-laws. Based on the budget that we have for this (each paycheck) we prioritize and communications is far back on our list. We've felt that water purification and food were #1 on the list, ammo, #2, etc.
But if things do get ugly and my family bugs out, I'll be sending a "farewell" message to everyone. When things go bad, they will probably go bad FAST, so it is smart for everyone to figure out in advance where they will be going and have multiple routes and a map to make sure that you can get there.
For closer communications (i.e. working out in a field, providing security, etc.) we are using FRS/GMRS radios. We're buying a solar battery charger and the FRS/GMRS radios that we own run on 2 AA batteries. These radios are only useful up to two miles away even though they say "8 mile range" or "24 mile range". Those are bogus marketing claims and require you to be standing on a mountain and your partner to be down range from you or some other unrealistic scenario.
HAM is the way to go for longer distances, but for us, that is one of the last things that we would buy. It does require some training and an exam to get the license. CB is next best in terms of distance, but still have a fairly limited range. We may be buying two hand held CBs in a few months.
C. Tipps
Posted at 5:48 PM on October 7, 2009
Oh, and I know that some of you have not started preparing, but everyone can prepare with a 72 hour Bug Out Kit or Bug Out Bag.
There are tons of blogs on the web that have typical lists for 72 hour kits, but I'll post a link to one:
If you are having trouble starting, start with a 72 hour kit for your family and that will get your mental juices flowing.
A lot of people forget the personal protection aspect of survival, so don't make that mistake. The fact is, when things go south, the worst people in society can and will be taking advantage of the chaos. We even saw this in New Orleans post-Katrina. But you can't rely on the National Guard to come in and escort you to a safe destination. You will be your own security.
Shelley Hobbs
Posted at 5:55 PM on October 7, 2009
Chad , you are right . The priority is getting to a safe place and have it stocked with supplies .
We will be staying here . We have water and now I'm working on storing up food . Those will be everyone's main concerns . We would have a power issue , but we are working on that . We could survive here without power though . It's an 18th century farmhouse already pretty well set up and easily converted back . The cheapest way for me to go right now is lanterns and candles . Kerosene is fairly cheap and I can store it .
Who would have thought we might get thrown back to 1860:)
Shelley Hobbs
Posted at 5:58 PM on October 7, 2009
I would like to know , not being nosy , just Momma . Does everyone here HAVE a safe place to go , or is where you are safe ? I'm concerned for everyone here and I really need to know everyone will be ok .
Love you all .
Shelley Hobbs
Posted at 6:00 PM on October 7, 2009
I'm pretty sure it will become very dangerous . There will be desperate people who never thought they NEEDED a plan .That frightens me the most .
Cindy Gialluca
Posted at 6:23 PM on October 7, 2009
Consider cold storage Shelly. Ya'll are in VT right? if you can find a way to dig a cold locker into the permafrost layer up there that would be great. In the inter you can store perishables by way of meat and other cold things in a raised building, Id say probably on top of at least 10 ft poles with tin sheeting around the poles to about 8 feet. Tin is really hard to climb.. slippery. Summer would require the cold locker under ground. Nows the time to find how deep the frost layer is up there. Texas doesnt have one although if you are close enough to the aquifer some of those underground caves stay pretty cool.
Cindy Gialluca
Posted at 6:25 PM on October 7, 2009
I'll be honest, not really. I have a couple of people who have said for me to come to them, Kate and Luke being 2 of them. It will depend on where we are when the SHTF , how far we have to go to get somewhere and how much fuel is in the tanks.
Mateniya, A.k.a. Jeff Ben David
Posted at 6:30 PM on October 7, 2009
Please do not get a HAM radio license!. When you do get a license, you give up your right for govt officials and law enforcement to inspect (tear apart) your home as it is a station. Same is true of your auto if you have a CB or Ham Radio inside. If you get a CB, do not make it visible! The police and govt agencies do not need a reason to bust in and inspect these. Also, as a licensed operator, speech is very limited on the HAm frequencies, so if this is for end of days, the license will not matter and until then you can use your cell phone. But until everything hits the fan,why give up your rights.
– KD6RWP was my license, I let it expire when I learned of this.
Shelley Hobbs
Posted at 6:34 PM on October 7, 2009
First Cindy , we have an underground tunnel right beside the house , fed by a spring . I think the original settlers here built it and had a spring house there . I will probably try to do that . Half is already there
2nd…if you are in the NE , head here . It may be a good idea to get a map of the US and put us all on it . That way , just check your map and head to the closest of us .Just don't wait . What routes do you usually follow ?
Shelley Hobbs
Posted at 6:35 PM on October 7, 2009
Thanks Jeff , good info .
Cindy Gialluca
Posted at 6:43 PM on October 7, 2009
Mostly east coast to mid west, Fla to DE occasionally farther north but not often, as far west as KS/Iowa and south to Texas. We have a truck drivers atlas, so we have a really good map. would just need to put out the call as to where we are, and see who answers. LOL
Shelley Hobbs
Posted at 6:49 PM on October 7, 2009
We are at the top of your map. It's mostly interstate to within a few miles of us . I'm not sure how far above De. we are though .
Cindy Gialluca
Posted at 7:08 PM on October 7, 2009
We have family in NH, Upstate NY (brother in law is a NY state trooper LOL), and CT… all of which heat homes via wood burning furnace. All of which have their own wells. Up in that are we are pretty well covered. I have a contact in TN as well, and with Kate and Jeff in TX we are covered there too. It is if we are in say GA, the carolinas, Fla, or maybe iowa, ks, missouri and that area that we will run into some trouble.
Shelley Hobbs
Posted at 7:11 PM on October 7, 2009
We are right between upstate NY and NH .Small world
Cindy Gialluca
Posted at 7:13 PM on October 7, 2009
WE are thinking of getting property in NH for retirement. Petes family is there, and while I LOVE Texas, his family is closer to each other then mine is so Im taking into consideration that my husband would enjoy being close to his brothers and sister and their families.
Kate Wells
Posted at 8:32 PM on October 7, 2009
Ok…"momma"… Luke and I will be fine. We are sequestered in the middle of heavily treed 43 acres. We have deer, hog, rabbit, for wild game. We raise chickens and goats…(but we are NOT eating the goats) I intend to get a buck this Spring and we will have milk and cheese. If I can get the pasture fenced before everythings goes south, I will get a pregnant cow. We have good neighbors up the hill who have horses and guns and would be a help. We have donkeys…but they could pull a wagon if needed to go somewhere.
Chad and I had the "72 hr preparedness" kit talk a week or so ago and he got me thinking about a lot of things I can do now to prepare. Kate~
Shelley Hobbs
Posted at 8:41 PM on October 7, 2009
Kate , you are in a perfect place . It sounds wonderful . We have wild game around , but no farm animals . Although the kids want to remedy that :)They'll have to do a lot of repairs first though .
Mark Moorman
Posted at 9:04 PM on October 7, 2009
I don't know where to respond, I can't really find anyone most often, lol. Sooo, I will just say,
THANK YOU, SO MUCH, for all of your prayers and outpouring of love. My Uncle was SUCH a fine man. Such a great example of Agape Love to all those around him. He was the kind of person who ALWAYS put others before himself.
Thanks for your continuing prayers,
Mark
Tipps
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Subject: Re: End Times Survival & Preparation Thu 8 Oct – 15:01
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We have a place to go and have stashed some of our food and half of our ammo there. There are tons of deer, wild hogs, rabbits, 4 – 5 ponds that are stocked full of fish. We've already converted the rain gutter downspouts to drain into very large (50 gallon?) rain water storage drums. We've got more post oak trees than we could ever cut for firewood, and we already have several cords of wood chopped, split and stacked.
If there is a collapse, we move back to the 1800's pretty quickly, that is why an older farm house is a great place to be. Especially if some of the pre-electricity tools are still there.
If our dollar devalues to a dangerous level, oil will go through the roof! We could quickly see ourselves in a situation where we just can't afford electricity… when people stop using it, then they eventually stop running the power plant.
I did some consulting for a large food manufacturing company in Plano TX (I'd say the name, but I think that this could be sensitive information) and when gas spiked up to $4, it almost killed them. They've been around for decades, but it almost killed them because their entire business model is built around cheap gas and selling a massive quantity of product. If we go to $5, then when their fuel contract runs out, they are done.
Wal-Mart is just like that. They have stores far and wide, and they are built on cheap gas and Just In Time supply chain. Expensive gas will kill them too.
What is my point here? My point is that it does not take long for some very large dominoes to start falling, and when those fall, tons of medium sized dominoes fall, and then everything crashes to the ground. When this happens, we go from living in 2009 (or 2010, 2011, etc.) to 1880 pretty fast.
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Subject: Re: End Times Survival & Preparation Thu 8 Oct – 16:05
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here is what O'Rielly talked about last night;
Dick Morris on O'Reilly Factor:
"Bear in mind just a little bitty footnote from history, every time you have a liberal Democratic president, who launches an ambitious program of reform, it always falls apart and grounds to a hault over a forign war."
I have been asleap …
like this creature I missed a Question ;Although trust is a huge issue for us now , and will be bigger later .
I vote Ham..if we can find them .
Shelley Hobbs
Posted at 4:59 PM on October 7, 2009
A.J. is it expensive or difficult to get a license ?
we can study for the test @ www.QRX.com the test costs $5-10 I think. Equipmemt is the most expensive part.
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Subject: Re: End Times Survival & Preparation Thu 8 Oct – 16:49
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It would be nice if their agenda was halted, but I'm not so sure that it will be. These guys started taking a ton of fire from the U.S. populace when they were back home during their break, but after a few weeks back in Washington, they have been strengthened by their power cult and are determined to plow ahead. These are very persistent people, they don't take "no" for an answer.
As far as the ideologically left Congressmen and Senators, social programs and government control/limiting freedom are the cornerstone of their cult. They have a mental disorder.
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Subject: Re: End Times Survival & Preparation Sat 10 Oct – 18:26
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Tipps,
Can you post some links for the kits? thanks
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Subject: Re: End Times Survival & Preparation Thu 15 Oct – 14:14
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Bret wrote:
Tipps,
Can you post some links for the kits? thanks
Are you talking about food starter kits?
If so, you can get a starter kit from the LDS church here:
LDS Family Home Storage Starter Kit
Some sources for non Genetically Modified Seeds:
Cheap Veggie Seeds – Non-GMO Seeds
The Ark Institute
Security Seeds
Survival Seed Bank
More sources for storage food:
Honeyville Grain
Ready Made Resources has food as well as all sorts of supplies:
Ready Made Resources
Many other supplies:
Lehmans
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Subject: Re: End Times Survival & Preparation Thu 15 Oct – 14:17
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Ah, you may have been referring to a 72 hour supply kit. We put our own together. They are also called Bug Out Bags. Basically the basics that your family will need in case of an emergency, water, food, medications, etc.
Here is one example kit, but this will just get you started because you will need to put things that meet your needs:
Florida Prepper 72 Hour kit
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Subject: Re: End Times Survival & Preparation Thu 15 Oct – 14:22
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Oh yeah, I let out one of the best sources for grains, Walton Feeds:
http://waltonfeed.com/category/2
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Subject: Re: End Times Survival & Preparation Tue 10 Nov – 18:11
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I just wanted to bump this up.
Some of you guys already know that I think that we are very near the end times and that, although I believe that God will spare us from the Wrath/Tribulation, I believe that life will be tough before that. As a result, my family and I started living more of a survivalist, “prepper” lifestyle. We started a few years ago with a 72 hour emergency kit, then increased to a few weeks. But in the last year, we have stepped it up considerably.
Of course we’ve had to do this a little at a time, week by week, item by item. We’ve learned a lot through trial and error and what we’ve learned may be helpful to some of you, so I wanted to start this thread to discuss these things.
The reason why I’m doing this is because I believe that we have to be able to remain independent of our government, as independent as possible during hard times.
Anyway, we can all share our ideas about supplies, tools, strategies or ask questions of each other about these practical and non-spiritual aspects of the End Times.
Shelley Hobbs
Posted at 3:50 PM on October 7, 2009
Chad ,
Thank you so much for starting this thread ! wow , this is my “calling” in these times . Food , survival , and most importantly a game plan .
Some of us do have a plan in place , I’m fearful that some of us don’t . I’m concerned already about how we will all stay in communication if our utilities get cut off .
Thank you and I’m so glad we can discuss this too . It is important as I know God does not want us to suffer needlessly .
Bret Major
Posted at 3:51 PM on October 7, 2009
That would be great Chad. I’ve put together some of that but not to your extent. I could use a little push.
A.J. Of Hashem Teaching Redemption To Heaven
Posted at 4:28 PM on October 7, 2009
O.K. We need to get amature radio licences and equipment, it is the only communication that will be able to survive a total meltdown of the inferstructor. If you can’t get that get ahold of 40 channel C.B. radios they wont keep you in touch accross America, but are the next best things.Food sources are very important as is a water supply. Any kind of solar electricity would be a real pluss. opps…. there goes the blabbermouth again, can’t help myself.
Cindy Gialluca
Posted at 4:31 PM on October 7, 2009
Funny you should say that Shelly….. I thought about this about a month ago, basically when our Internet and cybersecurity Czar came on the scene. Here is what I came up with…
Our first lines of communication would be HAM and CB radio communication. HAM goes out much farther, but it requires FCC licensing which could be a problem. CB is much shorter range but the FCC pretty much dropped its regulation back in the 70’s when CB’s became so popular. Youd have to have relays within range to pass information and doing that nation wide will be difficult at best.
My second solution was kind of a cross between the pony express and the underground railroad. Messages and information could be brought to secret hubs, whose locations changed regularly, by citizen messengers. Say Bret has a vegie garden, and say Lesli carries the message to Bret while bartering for tomatoes. Then Bret goes to Chad for venison and passed the message on. Chad to Luke for ummm lets say potatoes. Luke hands the message to Kate who then types it into her computer and destroys the message. Then lets say once every 2 weeks, Kate produces a newsletter. Jeff comes to Luke for greens, and gets the newsletter at the same time, he then distributes it around to others while going around for necessities. Those watching would see it as people getting necessities, but it is also a way to pass information. It would be hard to set up, and very time consuming but communication is key.
Any other ideas?
Shelley Hobbs
Posted at 4:58 PM on October 7, 2009
I did think of the ham radio . So , I went online to price check . It seems that everyone was already buying them , as most places I looked were either out of stock or had only 2 or 3 left .Wouldn’t the FCC totally loose control if we got to that point ?
I also made a quickie map to see how far apart we all were . Wow , California to Texas to Florida and up here in Vermont . Each extreme end of the country is represented That will make it more difficult .
Remember Convoy ? The movie . That message got clear across the country on CB’s . It could be done with “friends” along the way . Although trust is a huge issue for us now , and will be bigger later .
I vote Ham..if we can find them .
Shelley Hobbs
Posted at 4:59 PM on October 7, 2009
A.J. is it expensive or difficult to get a license ?
C. Tipps
Posted at 5:42 PM on October 7, 2009
We discussed communication as a part of our broader plan, but when/if there is a collapse or government becomes too tyrannical for our tastes, my family will be heading to our predetermined location outside of the city with my in-laws. Based on the budget that we have for this (each paycheck) we prioritize and communications is far back on our list. We’ve felt that water purification and food were #1 on the list, ammo, #2, etc.
But if things do get ugly and my family bugs out, I’ll be sending a “farewell” message to everyone. When things go bad, they will probably go bad FAST, so it is smart for everyone to figure out in advance where they will be going and have multiple routes and a map to make sure that you can get there.
For closer communications (i.e. working out in a field, providing security, etc.) we are using FRS/GMRS radios. We’re buying a solar battery charger and the FRS/GMRS radios that we own run on 2 AA batteries. These radios are only useful up to two miles away even though they say “8 mile range” or “24 mile range”. Those are bogus marketing claims and require you to be standing on a mountain and your partner to be down range from you or some other unrealistic scenario.
HAM is the way to go for longer distances, but for us, that is one of the last things that we would buy. It does require some training and an exam to get the license. CB is next best in terms of distance, but still have a fairly limited range. We may be buying two hand held CBs in a few months.
C. Tipps
Posted at 5:48 PM on October 7, 2009
Oh, and I know that some of you have not started preparing, but everyone can prepare with a 72 hour Bug Out Kit or Bug Out Bag.
There are tons of blogs on the web that have typical lists for 72 hour kits, but I’ll post a link to one:
If you are having trouble starting, start with a 72 hour kit for your family and that will get your mental juices flowing.
A lot of people forget the personal protection aspect of survival, so don’t make that mistake. The fact is, when things go south, the worst people in society can and will be taking advantage of the chaos. We even saw this in New Orleans post-Katrina. But you can’t rely on the National Guard to come in and escort you to a safe destination. You will be your own security.
Shelley Hobbs
Posted at 5:55 PM on October 7, 2009
Chad , you are right . The priority is getting to a safe place and have it stocked with supplies .
We will be staying here . We have water and now I’m working on storing up food . Those will be everyone’s main concerns . We would have a power issue , but we are working on that . We could survive here without power though . It’s an 18th century farmhouse already pretty well set up and easily converted back . The cheapest way for me to go right now is lanterns and candles . Kerosene is fairly cheap and I can store it .
Who would have thought we might get thrown back to 1860:)
Shelley Hobbs
Posted at 5:58 PM on October 7, 2009
I would like to know , not being nosy , just Momma . Does everyone here HAVE a safe place to go , or is where you are safe ? I’m concerned for everyone here and I really need to know everyone will be ok .
Love you all .
Shelley Hobbs
Posted at 6:00 PM on October 7, 2009
I’m pretty sure it will become very dangerous . There will be desperate people who never thought they NEEDED a plan .That frightens me the most .
Cindy Gialluca
Posted at 6:23 PM on October 7, 2009
Consider cold storage Shelly. Ya’ll are in VT right? if you can find a way to dig a cold locker into the permafrost layer up there that would be great. In the inter you can store perishables by way of meat and other cold things in a raised building, Id say probably on top of at least 10 ft poles with tin sheeting around the poles to about 8 feet. Tin is really hard to climb.. slippery. Summer would require the cold locker under ground. Nows the time to find how deep the frost layer is up there. Texas doesnt have one although if you are close enough to the aquifer some of those underground caves stay pretty cool.
Cindy Gialluca
Posted at 6:25 PM on October 7, 2009
I’ll be honest, not really. I have a couple of people who have said for me to come to them, Kate and Luke being 2 of them. It will depend on where we are when the SHTF , how far we have to go to get somewhere and how much fuel is in the tanks.
Mateniya, A.k.a. Jeff Ben David
Posted at 6:30 PM on October 7, 2009
Please do not get a HAM radio license!. When you do get a license, you give up your right for govt officials and law enforcement to inspect (tear apart) your home as it is a station. Same is true of your auto if you have a CB or Ham Radio inside. If you get a CB, do not make it visible! The police and govt agencies do not need a reason to bust in and inspect these. Also, as a licensed operator, speech is very limited on the HAm frequencies, so if this is for end of days, the license will not matter and until then you can use your cell phone. But until everything hits the fan,why give up your rights.
– KD6RWP was my license, I let it expire when I learned of this.
Shelley Hobbs
Posted at 6:34 PM on October 7, 2009
First Cindy , we have an underground tunnel right beside the house , fed by a spring . I think the original settlers here built it and had a spring house there . I will probably try to do that . Half is already there
2nd…if you are in the NE , head here . It may be a good idea to get a map of the US and put us all on it . That way , just check your map and head to the closest of us .Just don’t wait . What routes do you usually follow ?
Shelley Hobbs
Posted at 6:35 PM on October 7, 2009
Thanks Jeff , good info .
Cindy Gialluca
Posted at 6:43 PM on October 7, 2009
Mostly east coast to mid west, Fla to DE occasionally farther north but not often, as far west as KS/Iowa and south to Texas. We have a truck drivers atlas, so we have a really good map. would just need to put out the call as to where we are, and see who answers. LOL
Shelley Hobbs
Posted at 6:49 PM on October 7, 2009
We are at the top of your map. It’s mostly interstate to within a few miles of us . I’m not sure how far above De. we are though .
Cindy Gialluca
Posted at 7:08 PM on October 7, 2009
We have family in NH, Upstate NY (brother in law is a NY state trooper LOL), and CT… all of which heat homes via wood burning furnace. All of which have their own wells. Up in that are we are pretty well covered. I have a contact in TN as well, and with Kate and Jeff in TX we are covered there too. It is if we are in say GA, the carolinas, Fla, or maybe iowa, ks, missouri and that area that we will run into some trouble.
Shelley Hobbs
Posted at 7:11 PM on October 7, 2009
We are right between upstate NY and NH .Small world
Cindy Gialluca
Posted at 7:13 PM on October 7, 2009
WE are thinking of getting property in NH for retirement. Petes family is there, and while I LOVE Texas, his family is closer to each other then mine is so Im taking into consideration that my husband would enjoy being close to his brothers and sister and their families.
Kate Wells
Posted at 8:32 PM on October 7, 2009
Ok…”momma”… Luke and I will be fine. We are sequestered in the middle of heavily treed 43 acres. We have deer, hog, rabbit, for wild game. We raise chickens and goats…(but we are NOT eating the goats) I intend to get a buck this Spring and we will have milk and cheese. If I can get the pasture fenced before everythings goes south, I will get a pregnant cow. We have good neighbors up the hill who have horses and guns and would be a help. We have donkeys…but they could pull a wagon if needed to go somewhere.
Chad and I had the “72 hr preparedness” kit talk a week or so ago and he got me thinking about a lot of things I can do now to prepare. Kate~
Shelley Hobbs
Posted at 8:41 PM on October 7, 2009
Kate , you are in a perfect place . It sounds wonderful . We have wild game around , but no farm animals . Although the kids want to remedy that :)They’ll have to do a lot of repairs first though .
Mark Moorman
Posted at 9:04 PM on October 7, 2009
I don’t know where to respond, I can’t really find anyone most often, lol. Sooo, I will just say,
THANK YOU, SO MUCH, for all of your prayers and outpouring of love. My Uncle was SUCH a fine man. Such a great example of Agape Love to all those around him. He was the kind of person who ALWAYS put others before himself.
Thanks for your continuing prayers,
Mark
Tipps
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Subject: Re: End Times Survival & Preparation Thu 8 Oct – 15:01
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We have a place to go and have stashed some of our food and half of our ammo there. There are tons of deer, wild hogs, rabbits, 4 – 5 ponds that are stocked full of fish. We’ve already converted the rain gutter downspouts to drain into very large (50 gallon?) rain water storage drums. We’ve got more post oak trees than we could ever cut for firewood, and we already have several cords of wood chopped, split and stacked.
If there is a collapse, we move back to the 1800’s pretty quickly, that is why an older farm house is a great place to be. Especially if some of the pre-electricity tools are still there.
If our dollar devalues to a dangerous level, oil will go through the roof! We could quickly see ourselves in a situation where we just can’t afford electricity… when people stop using it, then they eventually stop running the power plant.
I did some consulting for a large food manufacturing company in Plano TX (I’d say the name, but I think that this could be sensitive information) and when gas spiked up to $4, it almost killed them. They’ve been around for decades, but it almost killed them because their entire business model is built around cheap gas and selling a massive quantity of product. If we go to $5, then when their fuel contract runs out, they are done.
Wal-Mart is just like that. They have stores far and wide, and they are built on cheap gas and Just In Time supply chain. Expensive gas will kill them too.
What is my point here? My point is that it does not take long for some very large dominoes to start falling, and when those fall, tons of medium sized dominoes fall, and then everything crashes to the ground. When this happens, we go from living in 2009 (or 2010, 2011, etc.) to 1880 pretty fast.
A.J.G.
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Subject: Re: End Times Survival & Preparation Thu 8 Oct – 16:05
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here is what O’Rielly talked about last night;
Dick Morris on O’Reilly Factor:
“Bear in mind just a little bitty footnote from history, every time you have a liberal Democratic president, who launches an ambitious program of reform, it always falls apart and grounds to a hault over a forign war.”
I have been asleap …
like this creature I missed a Question ;Although trust is a huge issue for us now , and will be bigger later .
I vote Ham..if we can find them .
Shelley Hobbs
Posted at 4:59 PM on October 7, 2009
A.J. is it expensive or difficult to get a license ?
we can study for the test @ www.QRX.com the test costs $5-10 I think. Equipmemt is the most expensive part.
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Subject: Re: End Times Survival & Preparation Thu 8 Oct – 16:49
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It would be nice if their agenda was halted, but I’m not so sure that it will be. These guys started taking a ton of fire from the U.S. populace when they were back home during their break, but after a few weeks back in Washington, they have been strengthened by their power cult and are determined to plow ahead. These are very persistent people, they don’t take “no” for an answer.
As far as the ideologically left Congressmen and Senators, social programs and government control/limiting freedom are the cornerstone of their cult. They have a mental disorder.
Bret
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Subject: Re: End Times Survival & Preparation Sat 10 Oct – 18:26
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Tipps,
Can you post some links for the kits? thanks
Tipps
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Subject: Re: End Times Survival & Preparation Thu 15 Oct – 14:14
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Bret wrote:
Tipps,
Can you post some links for the kits? thanks
Are you talking about food starter kits?
If so, you can get a starter kit from the LDS church here:
LDS Family Home Storage Starter Kit
Some sources for non Genetically Modified Seeds:
Cheap Veggie Seeds – Non-GMO Seeds
The Ark Institute
Security Seeds
Survival Seed Bank
More sources for storage food:
Honeyville Grain
Ready Made Resources has food as well as all sorts of supplies:
Ready Made Resources
Many other supplies:
Lehmans
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Subject: Re: End Times Survival & Preparation Thu 15 Oct – 14:17
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Ah, you may have been referring to a 72 hour supply kit. We put our own together. They are also called Bug Out Bags. Basically the basics that your family will need in case of an emergency, water, food, medications, etc.
Here is one example kit, but this will just get you started because you will need to put things that meet your needs:
Florida Prepper 72 Hour kit
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Subject: Re: End Times Survival & Preparation Thu 15 Oct – 14:22
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Oh yeah, I let out one of the best sources for grains, Walton Feeds:
http://waltonfeed.com/category/2
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Subject: Re: End Times Survival & Preparation Tue 10 Nov – 18:11
I just wanted to bump this up.